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<yann-kaelig> Hello, Lu
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<yann-kaelig> There's too much information. Anyone would have already given up on the idea of installing Yunohost.
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<yann-kaelig> Why do I have the source code for version 13 on GitHub but no ISO image available on the FTP server?
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<orhtej2> Should be fixed in 1.8, we can release a band aid in the meanwhile
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<orhtej2> As in I've patched it upstream here: https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/pull/10259
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<orhtej2> > <yann-kaelig> There's too much information. Anyone would have already given up on the idea of installing Yunohost.
Too much information where?
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<rodinux> The version 13 is a beta testing release... you should better reffer to the documentation here https://doc.yunohost.org/fr/admin/get\_started/install\_on/
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<yann-kaelig> > > <yann-kaelig> There's too much information. Anyone would have already given up on the idea of installing Yunohost.
>
> Too much information where?
everywhere :)
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<yann-kaelig> > The version 13 is a beta testing release... you should better reffer to the documentation here https://doc.yunohost.org/fr/admin/get\_started/install\_on/
YunoHost 13.0.5 is in beta state ?
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<yann-kaelig> what's the problem with producing an ISO, whether it's in beta or not?
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<yann-kaelig> Can I build my own iso with the last available source ?
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<rodinux> if you want be a beta tester with the last commits on debian 13, you can simply install a debian 13 trixie, and then the command is `$ curl https://install.yunohost.org/trixie | bash -s -- -d testing`
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<rodinux> https://forum.yunohost.org/t/yunohost-13-0-trixie-spooky-beta/40656
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<yann-kaelig> Beta tester ! I don't think so. Just thinking about it a little, if it takes 9 months to update a Debian 13 overlay, there's maybe a problem somewhere.
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<yann-kaelig> I'm just interested to see how the system configures the software compared to what I do manually.
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<yann-kaelig> I don't believe in the Docker model either. It's terribly opaque and the management interfaces are terrible from what I've seen.
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<yann-kaelig> Anyway, thanks for the link.
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<yann-kaelig> Have you conducted a study to determine the usage percentage of each software program among all those offered? Have you conducted a study to see what the majority of users are currently using in proprietary software? If, for example, ejabberd, which is a benchmark and already does the job 100% and more, why bother with everything else?
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<yann-kaelig> Ejabberd and Flux Messenger are enough to give us an alternative to Discord and other social media platforms. That's all an end user need. The free time is gained to optimize the management interface.
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<yann-kaelig> The Nextcloud Hub suite is enough as an alternative to the crosoft Teams suite and perfect for small organizations.
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<yann-kaelig> As for the website, a choice must be made, so let's quickly say WordPress and WooCommerce. We still have the email service. So now we covers 99% of the planet's daily uses.
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<yann-kaelig> The most important thing in a self hosted web apps is not the number of software programs, but the ability to quickly obtain and react to problems, attacks, bugs, etc.
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<yann-kaelig> That's the key difference between the big tech giants and the small end user.
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<yann-kaelig> When we will see a Yunobox in every house, then we can say that mission accomplished and that we've already won.
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<orhtej2> > <yann-kaelig> Have you conducted a study to determine the usage percentage of each software program among all those offered? Have you conducted a study to see what the majority of users are currently using in proprietary software? If, for example, ejabberd, which is a benchmark and already does the job 100% and more, why bother with everything else?
We don't have any telemetry so no, we only fly by stars in the app list
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<orhtej2> what's your point? You came to complain you don't want to use ynh? Sure, nobody's forcing you 🤷
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<orhtej2> > <yann-kaelig> The Nextcloud Hub suite is enough as an alternative to the crosoft Teams suite and perfect for small organizations.
Good, by my guest
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<orhtej2> bye!
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<artlog> I did install Nextcloud in various ways, some on VM with AIO solutions, some fully manualy with my own scripts and i definitely found Yunohost to be the easiest one for self hosting. I still use a presonal oslution since i use SAML SSO on my main system.
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<artlog> I would be worried if a Yunohost was in every house. This make think a totalitarian power did coerce that. And i don't want to 'win', i want the right to exist and to try do do better.
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<Chatpitaine Caverne> > I would be worried if a Yunohost was in every house.
At least, you would see many many "volunteers" coming to you suddenly...