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[00:38:08] <jerome> Hi there! Joining with element using my fresh yunohost instance :)
[00:38:58] <jerome> Just tried to install code-server but it seems It failed: https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/onilehadah
[00:47:42] <wayneoutthere> welcome. That's the best I can do for now :)
Although 'maindomain.tld' looks suspcious to me...
[00:57:11] <wayneoutthere> > <@ericg:matrix.org> wayneoutthere: you should be able to install Mautic in a sub-domain like `mautic.yourdomain.tld` from the testing branch.

hey!! this is already almost working from this testing branch, sir!
[00:58:03] <wayneoutthere> macaroni! it's working. make that branch live. it's way better than whatever is there already. i installed, logged in right away
[01:01:33] <wayneoutthere> now that I spent probably 3 hours today staring at code I don't understand... i woudl love to know the 'why' behind how you fixed all the nginx redirect stuff. In a few sentences. Just so I can at least say I learned something ha
[01:26:25] <jerome> > <@jerome:jutteau.fr> Just tried to install code-server but it seems It failed: https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/onilehadah

Seems the app need dedicated domain, sorry for noise
[09:28:57] <Karl (AT)> I have a question how to log in to synapse admin. Running Yunohost latest Updates from Yesterday + Synapse 1.74. Update. Logging in to synapse-admin redirects me back to login screen message - logged of ( I see abgemeldet) - If i use a non existing user or pass i get forbidden. Looks like it accepts the user, but kicks me out again.

I run a select * from users and saw there is no admin flag on any user. Is this not required from synapse admin? Or is there any other workaround?
[09:40:02] <tituspijean> Karl (AT): I think there is a long standing issue with Synapse Admin that I have not succeeded in tackling yet. But first, have you made your user admin in Synapse? There are instructions in synapse_ynh repo README.
[09:41:15] <Karl (AT)> I will check that out. Thank you.
[10:45:16] <beelu> Bonjour à tous, yunohost.org est down ?
[10:48:14] <tituspijean> Oui :/
[10:50:08] <tituspijean> @room the datacenter hosting our main server is down. Expect our website, documentation, forum, and dyndns system to not be accessible.
[10:50:36] <beelu> Arf ok, merci
[11:02:05] <Maranda> tituspijean: it's back up Jim.
[12:27:47] <ButterflyOfFire> OK merci
[14:00:16] <wayneoutthere> > <@jerome:jutteau.fr> Seems the app need dedicated domain, sorry for noise

yeah I've noticed nearly 100% of the apps i installed needed their own domain. I've become a master at creating letsencrypted-subdomains in the last 48 hours, ha
[14:01:10] <wayneoutthere> by the way, I noticed that the PDFSignature app is en francais mais je pense qu'english is useful for many. Is there somewhere I can input some translation? I think I might be able to handle many of the strings?
[14:05:41] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> by the way, I noticed that the PDFSignature app is en francais mais je pense qu'english is useful for many. Is there somewhere I can input some translation? I think I might be able to handle many of the strings?

you might want to head over to https://github.com/24eme/signaturepdf and propose to help them translate the app :)
[14:08:08] <tituspijean> notably over at https://github.com/24eme/signaturepdf/issues/48
[14:12:32] <wayneoutthere> ok thanks
[14:16:01] <wayneoutthere> for wordpress, it must be possible to install it as the main domain root? However, I tried to do just a backslash for the directory instead of /blog (default) and it wouldn't let me. maybe you can't?
[14:16:45] <wayneoutthere> my goal would be that wordpress is the kind of 'outside visitor' (ie. a business) and then all the rest is 'somewhere else'
[14:17:54] <tituspijean> (Note that it should be a standard slash /, not backslash)
[14:18:11] <wayneoutthere> sorry i meant slash not backslask
[14:18:17] <tituspijean> What was the error?
[14:19:19] <tituspijean> Most likely you installed other apps on the same (sub)domain. If so, you can set the Wordpress app as default app to have your visitors automatically redirected from / to /blog
[14:19:41] <wayneoutthere> ah...
[14:20:13] <wayneoutthere> actually, what I get is a warning that says 'are you sure you want to do this? You can't put any other app here" which is ok.
[14:20:33] <wayneoutthere> so really there should be a kind of 'pre-planning' process someone goes through before installing YH to figure out their need...
[14:20:56] <wayneoutthere> probably most people would want what I want with WP being the 'main page' on the domain..
[14:23:13] <tituspijean> There are as many uses for YunoHost as users. If you use it for business, then hell yeah you need to think it through in advance :p
But in any case, most of the common apps can have their URL changed without uninstalling them, which is convenient if you end up changing your pre-planning. :)
[14:23:40] <wayneoutthere> wow.
[14:23:45] <wayneoutthere> that is super awesome if true, haha
[14:23:51] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> probably most people would want what I want with WP being the 'main page' on the domain..

hence the "make default" feature ;)
[14:24:16] <wayneoutthere> ... i saw that but let me go see that again
[14:24:21] <tituspijean> it's at least true for Wordpress
[14:24:54] <wayneoutthere> oh neat
[14:25:30] <wayneoutthere> i see what you mean. so you can install various apps on various domains and sub-domains, and then if you decide you want one of them to be the 'default' app that outside visitors see you select 'make default' for that app?
[14:26:59] <tituspijean> yes. And that means that if they type `yourdomain.tld` it brings them to `yourdomain.tld/the_default_app`
[14:27:03] <wayneoutthere> got it. thanks much
[14:27:04] <tituspijean> (or maybe even if the app is on another domain, I have not tested that out)
[14:27:05] <wayneoutthere> i am trying to promote this to other small businesses in my circle but first I have to know wha tI"m doing and also have a working demo
[14:27:06] <wayneoutthere> your help much apprecaited
[14:27:32] <wayneoutthere> by the way, i noticed that Roundcube (really great these days, by the way!) installs on maindomain.tld/webmail
[14:27:51] <wayneoutthere> but probably that won't affect something like wordpress on /
[14:29:43] <tituspijean> The location of any app is up to you. (except for apps that specifically require to be installed on their own sole domain).
If you install an app on /, then you won't be able to install another one on /webmail.
If you install an app on /blog, and use the "make default" button, then you can install another one on /webmail
[14:31:13] <tituspijean> (and vice-versa, installing an app on /webmail will prevent you from installing an app on / of the same domain)
[14:31:14] <wayneoutthere> so roundcube can interrupt the plan if you install it first
[14:31:16] <wayneoutthere> in that case if you want to keep it clean then you should do subdomains for everything
[14:31:17] <wayneoutthere> ?
[14:33:38] <tituspijean> as you prefer :)
[14:34:27] <wayneoutthere> ok thx
[14:35:30] <wayneoutthere> question: i tried to install wordpress just now and it said that 'you can't because you have domain.tld/appname1 and domain.tld/appname2 (etc) installed. However, those were uninstalled and installed on a subdomain. is there a way to purge that somehow?
[14:35:51] <wayneoutthere> (they are not installed on the tld)
[14:37:11] <tituspijean> https://aria.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/pijean.ovh/a7cb9083d1c19ea62390b7a0873db66293312da7d315f22762d34520df39c90b
[14:37:51] <wayneoutthere> haha
[14:38:56] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> question: i tried to install wordpress just now and it said that 'you can't because you have domain.tld/appname1 and domain.tld/appname2 (etc) installed. However, those were uninstalled and installed on a subdomain. is there a way to purge that somehow?

that's definitely weird, are you 100% sure no app is installed on the domain?
[14:39:33] <wayneoutthere> sorry, those two apps *were* installed on the main domain, but I uninstalled them and moved them to a subdomain. I assume subdomain is totally separate from main domain? that's why I was surprised to see warning
[14:40:02] <wayneoutthere> it is on app1.maindomain.tld/appname1 , not maindomain.tld/appname1
[14:40:14] <wayneoutthere> i'll use `squiggly` in the future sorry
[14:40:39] <tituspijean> haha no problem you were crystal clear
[14:40:54] <tituspijean> that's definitely not normal though
[14:41:15] <wayneoutthere> right...
[14:41:31] <wayneoutthere> seems like the record was left in some file
[14:42:15] <tituspijean> try running `sudo yunohost app ssowatconf`
[14:42:35] <wayneoutthere> it looks exotic so I'll run it just because of that
[14:43:59] <wayneoutthere> i ran it but it didn't give me any exotic output! refund!
[14:44:12] <wayneoutthere> now what do I do? haha
[14:44:54] <wayneoutthere> i'll uninstall WP and try again
[14:45:01] <wayneoutthere> and see if get those warnings?
[14:45:06] <wayneoutthere> quick question while it's in my mind:
[14:46:20] <wayneoutthere> so if I move everything to a subdomain (ie. roundcube) and then I install WP as the `maindomain.tld` and it successfully installs, and outside people when they type `maindomain.tld` end up on wordpress site, how do regular users login? Do you have to manually type in something like `maindomain.tld/sso/login` kind of thing?
[14:48:10] <wayneoutthere> by the way, i figured it out (above) my eyes were bad on one of them and the other one was roundcube which is installed on `maindomain.tld` so disregard
[14:48:25] <wayneoutthere> i'll try moving domains around and clearing away my maindomain thanks for your help again!
[14:49:58] <tituspijean> so it was PEBKAC :p
no worries
[14:57:56] <wayneoutthere> PEBKAC?? More exotic talk! tell me what you called me :)
[14:58:02] <wayneoutthere> oh
[14:58:11] <wayneoutthere> between keyboard and computer?
[14:58:53] <wayneoutthere> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> so if I move everything to a subdomain (ie. roundcube) and then I install WP as the `maindomain.tld` and it successfully installs, and outside people when they type `maindomain.tld` end up on wordpress site, how do regular users login? Do you have to manually type in something like `maindomain.tld/sso/login` kind of thing?

if you have answer to this, though, that will mend my broken heart
[14:59:50] <wayneoutthere> by the way i'm going to write a kind of 'planning guide for small businesses for YH' shortly so your efforts won't be wasted entirely
[15:11:52] <wayneoutthere> another few questions as they come up:
[15:12:26] <wayneoutthere> 1. does it make sense to initially install Yunohost on a subdomain such as `yh.maindomain.tld` so that the sign-in part is always separated from 'other business'?
[15:13:36] <wayneoutthere> 2. If you use the backup feature, and then restore it onto a second server (let's say offline in your office) can you use the entire functionality of server like that?
[15:13:52] <wayneoutthere> at least for searching records etc that are in DB?
[15:28:43] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> between keyboard and computer?

chair and keyboard, aka you :p
[15:29:27] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> if you have answer to this, though, that will mend my broken heart

yes indeed. However nothing prevents you from putting a link on the wordpress site towards /sso/login
[15:30:06] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> by the way i'm going to write a kind of 'planning guide for small businesses for YH' shortly so your efforts won't be wasted entirely

you are most welcome to share it on the forum, section *Tutorials and How-to*
[15:30:57] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> 1. does it make sense to initially install Yunohost on a subdomain such as `yh.maindomain.tld` so that the sign-in part is always separated from 'other business'?

right now the login/sso is by design always accessible on the path /yunohost/sso, whatever the domain
[15:32:07] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> 2. If you use the backup feature, and then restore it onto a second server (let's say offline in your office) can you use the entire functionality of server like that?

I guess so, though you would need to trick your computer to reach the domain on the proper IP address, or use the (possibly not available) changing url feature
[16:02:53] <wayneoutthere> > <@titus:pijean.ovh> you are most welcome to share it on the forum, section *Tutorials and How-to*

cool. i might do it on my 'crap-blog' because I might now have time to refine it. Then I might put a link in the forum to it so that I can refine it and then when it's nice perhaps can paste it into blog. At least I'll publish some kind of doc so others can comment and help with it.
[16:03:33] <wayneoutthere> > <@titus:pijean.ovh> right now the login/sso is by design always accessible on the path /yunohost/sso, whatever the domain

ok then that should be good enough and then, as you said, you can create a link there anywhere.
[16:07:14] <wayneoutthere> > <@titus:pijean.ovh> I guess so, though you would need to trick your computer to reach the domain on the proper IP address, or use the (possibly not available) changing url feature

so- here's what I'm thinking... i'm not sure if this is a smart idea, but if you could automate this concept into a kind of UI 'offline' button feature, that would be amazing. Imagine this, for example:

* Friday night you click 'backup' on YH
* Monday you get to your desk, and boom - your ISP goes down or your main server
* you turn on an old laptop and open YH ...(not sure how this part would work but would be ideal without internet perhaps a kind of Snap, Flatpak, Appimage?). Perhaps the app is called Yunohost-OFFLINE
* when the app opens it asks you: a) where is your backup file? and b) what was your original path to your domain?

* YHOL (Yunohost Offline) pulls in the data, does the tricks and you have a kind of 'usable' suite...

end dreaming here. ha
[16:07:53] <Guest703> C'est bien ici lorsqu'on a une galère a l'installation d'une appli ?
[16:09:43] <wayneoutthere> tu peux demandez.. je ne sais pas s'il y a un group pour francais mais je pense que c'est bien ici?
[16:10:40] <wayneoutthere> attention - mon francais est tres mal, haha. mais les autres je pense peuvent aidez
[16:10:56] <Guest703> ok in english :p
[16:11:46] <Guest703> i have a problem when i want install the application "kimai2"
[16:12:23] <Guest703> i have the message "WARNING - Corrupt source"
[16:12:32] <Guest703> and after : "ERROR - Impossible d'installer kimai2 : Une erreur est survenue dans le script d'installation de l'application"
[16:12:54] <Guest703> impossible to install the application because an error in the script
[16:12:58] <wayneoutthere> to me looks like whoever wrote the app has some bad code?
[16:13:57] <wayneoutthere> or at least in the installation part of the script
[16:13:58] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> so- here's what I'm thinking... i'm not sure if this is a smart idea, but if you could automate this concept into a kind of UI 'offline' button feature, that would be amazing. Imagine this, for example:
>
> * Friday night you click 'backup' on YH
> * Monday you get to your desk, and boom - your ISP goes down or your main server
> * you turn on an old laptop and open YH ...(not sure how this part would work but would be ideal without internet perhaps a kind of Snap, Flatpak, Appimage?). Perhaps the app is called Yunohost-OFFLINE
> * when the app opens it asks you: a) where is your backup file? and b) what was your original path to your domain?
>
> * YHOL (Yunohost Offline) pulls in the data, does the tricks and you have a kind of 'usable' suite...
>
> end dreaming here. ha

there's fallback_ynh for that, to redirect a failing server to backup one
[16:15:10] <Guest703> well, i think it's impossible to install without a fix i suppose :/
[16:15:41] <tituspijean> let me investigate
[16:16:02] <tituspijean> please share the full installation log btw
[16:17:32] <Guest703> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/uheniwuqit
[16:17:36] <Guest703> thank a lot :)
[16:25:15] <tituspijean> Guest703: can you update your system and try again? It looks like your catalog is not up to date (pulling Kimai v1.27 while the latest is 1.30 in our repo)
[16:28:14] <Guest703> i try :)
[16:32:40] <Guest703> It's not working, yet it's the right version from the GUI. :(
[16:32:58] <tituspijean> Can you share the new log?
[16:38:14] <Guest703> yes
[16:38:35] <Guest703> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/eyufusopom
[16:44:09] <tituspijean> I have made a fix, could you try it out? You need the command line: `sudo yunohost app install https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/kimai2_ynh/tree/fix-src -f`
[16:53:29] <Guest703> yes
[16:55:04] <Guest703> Error: Requirements are not met for kimai2, the package yunohost (0:) must be >= 11.0.0
[16:55:21] <Guest703> my yunohost app is in 11.0.10.2
[17:25:54] <Guest5875> tituspijean sorry i was disconnect, it's ok for your fix !
[18:58:01] <wayneoutthere> > <@titus:pijean.ovh> there's fallback_ynh for that, to redirect a failing server to backup one

what is 'fallback_ynh'. Is that an app?
[19:03:27] <ynhuser> hi everyone, after restoring my system can't login to admin page, any ideas?
[19:03:39] <wayneoutthere> new question: has anyone here successfully configured and used DKIM? :)
[19:12:53] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> what is 'fallback_ynh'. Is that an app?

Yes: https://forum.yunohost.org/t/fallback-backup-and-restore-automatically-your-server/3482
[19:12:58] <tituspijean> > <@ynhuser:libera.chat> hi everyone, after restoring my system can't login to admin page, any ideas?

Any error?
[19:13:59] <tituspijean> > <@wayneoutthere:matrix.org> new question: has anyone here successfully configured and used DKIM? :)

It's better to lead with the issues you have :)
[20:46:53] <beelu> Après avoir proposé des modifications sur la doc, faut-il cocher "create pull request" ? Je ne connais pas github :p
[21:27:04] <Tag> beelu: tout juste!
[21:45:26] <beelu> C'est envoyé, merci Tag:
[22:07:40] <wayneoutthere> > <@titus:pijean.ovh> Yes: https://forum.yunohost.org/t/fallback-backup-and-restore-automatically-your-server/3482

wow. awesome thanks!
[22:08:29] <wayneoutthere> your wisdom rings loud...shall do. Basically i'm getting an error message in diagnosis related to DKIM
[22:09:12] <wayneoutthere> seems like YH can only handle a kind of shorter text sha256 hash pair or something... maybe
[22:10:15] <wayneoutthere> when I set up DKIM before I just used an online tool and it seemed to work but YH is giving me a 'no' to whatever i'm doing. I feel like all I need is a 'new tool' to create a hash pair in the way YH likes it..? maybe...
[23:44:55] <Osuka> Has annyone gotten Pufferpanel to host servers through YunoHost?