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[10:51:13] <lapineige> Hello,
I friend of mine is trying to configure their email redirection to work with OVH. The domain is used by Yunohost. That person used a redirection on their main email provided from the OVH mail.
By error, I used the automated DNS config from Yunohost.
Since that time, emails are not working (SPF error mainly).

SPF seems better with this config `v=spf1 include:mx.ovh.com ~all` instead of YNH one `v=spf1 a mx -all`.
[10:51:39] <lapineige> Hello,
I friend of mine is trying to configure their email redirection to work with OVH. The domain is used by Yunohost. That person used a redirection on their main email provided from the OVH mail.
By error, I used the automated DNS config from Yunohost.
Since that time, emails are not working (SPF error mainly).

SPF seems better with this config `v=spf1 include:mx.ovh.com ~all` instead of YNH one `v=spf1 a mx -all`.
That person can send email to their main email (non-OVH one), but can't receive.
Any idea how what should be configured ?
[10:52:29] <lapineige> Hello,
I friend of mine is trying to configure their email redirection to work with OVH. The domain is used by Yunohost. That person used a redirection on their main email provided from the OVH mail.
By error, I used the automated DNS config from Yunohost.
Since that time, emails are not working (SPF error mainly).

SPF seems better with this config `v=spf1 include:mx.ovh.com ~all` instead of YNH one `v=spf1 a mx -all`.
That person can send email to their main email (non-OVH one), but can't receive.
Any idea how what should be configured ?

I suppose the MX should not point to Yunohost server, right ?
Also is that possible that both OVH redirection (to external email) and email sent from server work at the same time ? (I guess the SPF can't include 2 things, right ?)
[11:08:07] <lapineige> If I write to the OVH adress :

```
This is the mail system at host *domain.tld*.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

The mail system

<*main_mail@gmail.com*> (expanded from <*mail@domain.tld*`>): host
gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.71.26] said: 550-5.7.26 This mail has
been blocked because the sender is unauthenticated. 550-5.7.26 Gmail
requires all senders to authenticate with either SPF or DKIM. 550-5.7.26
550-5.7.26 Authentication results: 550-5.7.26 DKIM = did not pass
550-5.7.26 SPF [*domain.tld*] with ip: [SOME_IP] = did not pass
550-5.7.26 550-5.7.26 For instructions on setting up authentication, go
to 550 5.7.26 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication
bi25-20020a05600c3d9900b0040d41539690si1434686wmb.95 - gsmtp (in reply to
end of DATA command)

```
[11:13:00] <lapineige> I can give you the full DNS zone
[14:08:26] <mat> I feel dumb. I don't know where to click on the forum to write a new topic
[14:09:41] <leandro> > <mat> I feel dumb. I don't know where to click on the forum to write a new topic

Did you register in the forum?
[14:10:07] <mat> Yes I did. I have a "Basic" badge
[14:10:57] <leandro> https://aria.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/cybervalley.org/rochtdovgesGFvNMnTRkcgFk
[14:11:43] <leandro> > <mat> Yes I did. I have a "Basic" badge

This is in italian localization
[14:16:51] <mat> I'm italian ;-) , but my interface is set to english Here's my homepage
[14:16:57] <mat> https://xmpp-upload.mat.ynh.fr/upload/zcpWB8xaKtwq0615/66c1a422-07f1-4b00-8210-132b68be16ce.png
[14:20:36] <leandro> > <mat> I'm italian ;-) , but my interface is set to english Here's my homepage

So... benvenuto!
[14:21:01] <leandro> "New" is a good candidate :-) No, sorry, "New" are the new arguments! :-(
[14:22:12] <mat> Grazie, but that "New" is just a tag which filters new topics, not a button a can click to write one
[14:22:18] <leandro> Mat, perhaps you need to compile some form in the personal informations?
[14:26:55] <mat> I don't know, which ones? What are the rules to have "write access"? I can't even reply to topics. I registered in 2021 by the way
[14:39:31] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> unsilenced you
[14:39:31] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> apparently you were "Silenced" automatically because "New user typed too fast"
[14:51:19] <mat> > unsilenced you
Thank you!
[16:53:21] <efeefe> Hey everyone... does anyone have a clever/easy solution to share/route a connection using yunohost? I have it running on a Raspi connected to Wi-fi and would like to connect another device to eth and use the Raspi to route internet to it. I'd usually use dnsmasq for that, but I read about people having trouble with it on YH.
[16:59:20] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> maybe you can get inspiration from https://github.com/alexAubin/ynh-extraeth/tree/master but it's been a long time since i wrote since, i'm no network expert and it may legit looks funky
[17:00:13] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> basically it bridges two interfaces and configures a DHCP server + NAT i think
[17:00:39] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> it was intended to be used in combination with vpnclient_ynh but it's not a necessity for the interface to be a VPN
[17:01:49] <tufek> `# Blackmagic for iptables / masquerade` 🤣
[17:01:57] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpg
[20:29:17] <lapineige> > Hello,
> I friend of mine is trying to configure their email redirection to work with OVH. The domain is used by Yunohost. That person used a redirection on their main email provided from the OVH mail.
> By error, I used the automated DNS config from Yunohost.
> Since that time, emails are not working (SPF error mainly).
>
> SPF seems better with this config `v=spf1 include:mx.ovh.com ~all` instead of YNH one `v=spf1 a mx -all`.
> That person can send email to their main email (non-OVH one), but can't receive.
> Any idea how what should be configured ?
>
> I suppose the MX should not point to Yunohost server, right ?
> Also is that possible that both OVH redirection (to external email) and email sent from server work at the same time ? (I guess the SPF can't include 2 things, right ?)

Trying a little 🆙
Actually I think this might be better in the forum 🤔 (I tried this because I guessed it was easier to discuss it, as it would not be easy to understand the issue)
[20:29:21] <poneymoon> yunohost necessarily installs a mail server during installation, how can I permanently deactivate this mail server?
[20:31:03] <poneymoon> Or is it possible to use a remote mail server on my yunohost instance?
[20:39:29] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i guess you could run a bunch of stuff like `systemctl disable postfix --now`, same for dovecot, postsrsd, rspamd, but honestly, people often don't realize that many apps do depend on the ability to send mail to function as expected, not mentionning the diagnosis alerts etc
[20:41:32] <poneymoon> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> i guess you could run a bunch of stuff like `systemctl disable postfix --now`, same for dovecot, postsrsd, rspamd, but honestly, people often don't realize that many apps do depend on the ability to send mail to function as expected, not mentionning the diagnosis alerts etc

I already use a mail server on another server, and I want to replace the yunohost mail server with my other mail server
[20:43:12] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> "replace" is a fuzzy word in that context ... maybe you can configure yunohost server to relay email to the other machine
[20:44:53] <poneymoon> Okay, how do I relay mail to the other machine from the yunohost mail server?
[20:44:53] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> https://yunohost.org/email_configure_relay
[20:46:30] <poneymoon> THANKS. Could I also send emails from my other server so that they are automatically resent from the yunohost server?
[20:47:18] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> not sure to get you mean ... you mean having the setup the other way around with yunohost acting as the relay ?
[20:48:29] <poneymoon> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> not sure to get you mean ... you mean having the setup the other way around with yunohost acting as the relay ?

Yes it's
[20:49:41] <poneymoon> Because if I send emails directly from the yunohost server, they will not be stored on my other mail server. I want both sent and received emails to be stored on my other mail server (not just received emails)
[20:52:03] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i guess in theory you could get it to work, but i don't think we handle this use case (acting as the relay) in a simple manner right now, though it would be cool to research and document, but i also expect many technical questions arising such as "which server is supposed to sign stuff using DKIM" etc
[20:52:29] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> (or maybe DKIM & co is not that complex as long as the domains are registered in yunohost)
[20:54:35] <poneymoon> All right. I'll do more research 👍️
[20:55:53] <gamaaim> Is it possible to use a proxy for yunohost updates?
[20:57:04] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> explain your actual problem, cf https://xyproblem.info/
[21:00:26] <gamaaim> For more security I would like to use a proxy so that yunohost can contact the yunohost.org server with another IP in order to have the updates.
[21:00:26] <gamaaim> I don't want to use my real IP address to search for updates
[21:01:16] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> if you want to "hide your real IP" then YunoHost is not designed for whatever you think it means
[21:03:45] <gamaaim> I use proxies only for repositories, almost all tools offer the use of proxies (browsers, web-torrents, Linux distribution, etc.), I want to use my proxy in the same way to search for updates yunohost
[21:04:31] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:05:43] <gamaaim> Do I have to use my real IP address to connect to the yunohost.org servers?
[21:05:48] <ninchuka> > <@gamaaim:matrix.org> I use proxies only for repositories, almost all tools offer the use of proxies (browsers, web-torrents, Linux distribution, etc.), I want to use my proxy in the same way to search for updates yunohost

yunohost is based on debian
[21:06:13] <ninchuka> so just use debian proxy guide and you can use a proxy
[21:06:33] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i don't know, what od you mean "real IP" ? People could argue a real IP is your local IP ... or whatever, why would it matter what IP your contact the server from ? Are you trying to hide from the NSA or something ?
[21:08:07] <gamaaim> > <@ninchuka:envs.net> so just use debian proxy guide and you can use a proxy

I already use privoxy, yunohost updates work fine through the terminal, but yunohost continues to use my real IP address when I try to perform updates from the yunohost GUI
[21:08:51] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> wtf ~_~
[21:11:15] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> i don't know, what od you mean "real IP" ? People could argue a real IP is your local IP ... or whatever, why would it matter what IP your contact the server from ? Are you trying to hide from the NSA or something ?

I don't want my real IP address to touch your server, because I don't want it stored on your server or for my ISP to know that I'm using yunohost. It is a widely accepted practice to use proxies to contact repositories. This is a widely accepted practice that all Linux distributions offer a proxy connection when installing a Linux-based operating system!
[21:12:06] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> i don't know, what od you mean "real IP" ? People could argue a real IP is your local IP ... or whatever, why would it matter what IP your contact the server from ? Are you trying to hide from the NSA or something ?

I think you understood very well what I meant by "my real IP", I'm talking about my public IP
[21:12:07] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> will your server get Covid19 if it "touches" yunohost server or something
[21:13:39] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> will your server get Covid19 if it "touches" yunohost server or something

No, but I explained to you what will happen. I just want to use a proxy to update my yunohost instance. No matter the problem or your personal beliefs
[21:14:24] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i mean people usually get help when they explain clearly their problem and not try to bullshit their way throwing the word "security" randomly as if it means anything ... for example you could be willing to use a proxy because for some reason your network is filtered by the ISP / company or whatever
[21:14:59] <ninchuka> > <@gamaaim:matrix.org> For more security I would like to use a proxy so that yunohost can contact the yunohost.org server with another IP in order to have the updates.

thats privacy not security
[21:14:59] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> if you don't want your IP to touch our server or any server, maybe use a VPN on your entire connection idk
[21:15:10] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> i mean people usually get help when they explain clearly their problem and not try to bullshit their way throwing the word "security" randomly as if it means anything ... for example you could be willing to use a proxy because for some reason your network is filtered by the ISP / company or whatever

This is precisely the case, I have ISP problems and I don't want my ISP to know that I use yunohost
[21:15:57] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> riiiight, then maybe just use an anonymizing VPN on your entire connection idk
[21:16:36] <gamaaim> > <@ninchuka:envs.net> thats privacy not security

A privacy issue begets a security issue, but regardless, I'd just like to use a socks5 proxy to update yunohost from the yunohost GUI
[21:16:37] <ninchuka> > <@gamaaim:matrix.org> This is precisely the case, I have ISP problems and I don't want my ISP to know that I use yunohost

is there an actual reason for this? like they block it or something or you just dont want them knowing that you are using yunohost
[21:18:48] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> riiiiight
[21:18:48] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> riiiight, then maybe just use an anonymizing VPN on your entire connection idk

No, because I don't want other applications to pass the VPN, I would only like to pass yunohost updates through this proxy.
[21:18:49] <ninchuka> some VPN's let you select what applications to send via VPN
[21:19:12] <ninchuka> split tunneling
[21:19:42] <gamaaim> > <@ninchuka:envs.net> is there an actual reason for this? like they block it or something or you just dont want them knowing that you are using yunohost

I don't want them to know that I use yunohost. I live in a difficult country
[21:20:38] <ninchuka> have you tried to see if a VPN app with split tunelling support works with the yunohost GUI
[21:20:59] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> https://forum.yunohost.org/search?expanded=true&q=proxy maybe one of these suits your needs ....
[21:22:41] <gamaaim> > <@ninchuka:envs.net> some VPN's let you select what applications to send via VPN

I only use Debian on the command line, I don't plan to use a VPN for that, it's a very cumbersome solution. I prefer to use a proxy
[21:22:49] <ninchuka> a VPN is essentially a proxy, how is it different
[21:23:57] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> https://forum.yunohost.org/search?expanded=true&q=proxy maybe one of these suits your needs ....

I already use Debian environment variables to configure my proxy, yunohost does use the proxy in terminal mode, but as soon as I use the yunohost graphical interface it no longer uses the proxy!
[21:24:22] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> you said you "only use Debian on the command line" ...
[21:25:13] <gamaaim> yunohost does not take Debian proxy environment variables into account when updating via the GUI. Why ?
[21:25:38] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i dunno man, you're not even explaining how you did configure that proxy, it's not like we can't magically guess why something that you did not explain doesn't work
[21:25:39] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> you said you "only use Debian on the command line" ...

Yes, but I also use yunohost's WEB-UI interface
[21:26:09] <ninchuka> > <@gamaaim:matrix.org> Yes, but I also use yunohost's WEB-UI interface

then you dont only use it via command line
[21:26:50] <gamaaim> > <@ninchuka:envs.net> then you dont only use it via command line

What I mean is that there is no graphical environment installed on Debian. Why dwell on this?
[21:30:14] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> i dunno man, you're not even explaining how you did configure that proxy, it's not like we can't magically guess why something that you did not explain doesn't work

Here are the two Proxy environment variables that I configured with privoxy on the yunohost server http_proxy, https_proxy, they are both on 127.0.0.1:8118 which is the privoxy port. Then I configured privoxy to connect to the remote socks5 proxy server. yunohost goes through the socks5 proxy via the terminal, but it does not go through the socks5 proxy from the WEB-UI
[21:38:11] <gamaaim> I can't just proxy the repository http://forge.yunohost.org/debian/ in `/etc/apt/sources.list.d/` because yunohost is also looking at the API at: https://app.yunohost.org/default/v3/apps.json , It is mainly the connection to the API that I would like to pass through the proxy
[21:44:37] <gamaaim> It would be nice if yunohost offered users the ability to use a proxy for updates. Most other tools already do this!
[21:50:15] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> well maybe if you can explain your issue in clearer terms than "it doesn't work" and then "it works in CLI but it doesn't in API" and then apparently it does work in API too, but not for the catalog.json ? And we're asking for technical details but the only thing you provide is "http_proxy" and "https_proxy" and no clue how to setup those, good luck to us for ever reproducing your issue
[21:50:17] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> dunno why yunohost should handle some special proxying
[21:50:17] <gamaaim> Does yunohost keep user IP addresses during updates? What are yunohost privacy policies on this topic?
[21:50:17] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> YunoHost is based on Debian, Debian supports proxying through SOCKwhatever and that's it dude
[21:50:17] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> and it sounds pretty confusing
[21:51:05] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> Why would YunoHost keep people's IP ? We are a project defending user privacy by providing people with the ability to host their own tools, why do you think we care about people IP somehow wtf...
[21:51:56] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> YunoHost is based on Debian, Debian supports proxying through SOCKwhatever and that's it dude

yunohost web-ui bypasses the Debian proxy and goes through the original network without using the Debian proxy, that's the problem
[21:53:28] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> dunno why the webadmin would "bypass" anything, this is literally the same code running both the CLI and API, itself calling apt during update/upgrades ~_~ but yeah without a technical explanation on how to reproduce the issue and good incentive on doing so other than "i want to hide my IP because i don't want my ISP to know that i'm using YunoHost" liikeee yeaaaah what deh frak dud
[21:53:29] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> Why would YunoHost keep people's IP ? We are a project defending user privacy by providing people with the ability to host their own tools, why do you think we care about people IP somehow wtf...

I don't think anything at all and I don't trust any company, you shouldn't feel like you're being targeted or pointed at, because that's not the case.
[21:55:20] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> you don't trust any company yet your run Yunohost's software, you run Debian, and you're using a proxy which maybe somehow relies on another company dude, i don't know what the hell you're talking about, yunohost is not an OS for paranoia
[21:57:42] <gamaaim> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> dunno why the webadmin would "bypass" anything, this is literally the same code running both the CLI and API, itself calling apt during update/upgrades ~_~ but yeah without a technical explanation on how to reproduce the issue and good incentive on doing so other than "i want to hide my IP because i don't want my ISP to know that i'm using YunoHost" liikeee yeaaaah what deh frak dud

I have already explained to you technically how the proxy is configured https://matrix.to/#/!gvRsI7cG1o9SVr56:pijean.ovh/$UCkrp5LiJNDHwrt-3vUWE5FMZaMP9KYU8TGKrLFkWBI?via=matrix.org&via=aria-net.org&via=envs.net

I also explained the problem I noticed. You are normally able to reproduce it, if you have any questions I am ready to answer them
[21:57:42] <gamaaim> I also don't understand why yunohost's WEB-UI bypasses the Debian proxy
[21:59:27] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> no you did not explain, you just gave a super fuzzy explanation, usually people sharing technical details provide a specific list of instruction to run, like, idk, sock is configured via a bunch of bash env variables I guess ? Don't even know where you put that, are you setting those in command line ? or in a file ? i'm here help with common yunohost issues, not to "guess" your super technical edge case
[21:59:30] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i'm not gonna continue this conversation going nowhere, this is a support channel, not the paranoia hotline
[22:00:23] <Hook> What would be the upside of running Prosidy instead of the default Metronome?
[22:01:59] <gamaaim> Thanks anyway for your help :)
[22:02:01] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> you mean downside ?
[22:13:02] <gamaaim> Is it the root user that yunohost web-ui uses during its updates?
[22:13:04] <Hook> Aleks (he/him/il/lui):, I do mean upside.

I am trying to get Metronome to run on a non-default domain, but I can't log into it. So I wonder if it makes sense to instead switch to Prosidy
[22:13:48] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> > <@gamaaim:matrix.org> Is it the root user that yunohost web-ui uses during its updates?

https://xyproblem.info/
[22:14:39] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> > <Hook> Aleks (he/him/il/lui):, I do mean upside.
>
> I am trying to get Metronome to run on a non-default domain, but I can't log into it. So I wonder if it makes sense to instead switch to Prosidy

hmmmokay, if you can't log into it, do you see any error message in the system service ? Did you enable XMPP for that domain ?
[22:15:26] <gamaaim> There is no problem, it is just a question. What user does yunohost use from web-ui to update the system? Is it the root user?
[22:15:36] <Hook> Aleks (he/him/il/lui): https://forum.yunohost.org/t/running-xmpp-metronome-on-a-domain-name-different-than-the-main-one/27818
[22:17:27] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> ` no DN found for username` hmmm
[22:18:13] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> can you confirm that you're using the main email address as login ? (turns out the main mail adress of the user is also the XMPP identifier if i recall correctly)
[22:20:40] <Hook> > can you confirm that you're using the main email address as login ? (turns out the main mail adress of the user is also the XMPP identifier if i recall correctly)
I do.

I specifically would like to use a JID different than the main email/domain
[22:21:57] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> hmmokay, what if you add that JID as email alias ?
[22:22:21] <Hook> > hmmokay, what if you add that JID as email alias ?
How/where do I do that?
[22:23:03] <Hook> I saw on the forums in some other thread someone said that helped (in a similar sounding issue), but I didn’t figure it out yet.
[22:23:13] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> in the webadmin, Users > your.user > Edit > add a mail alias corresponding to the JID
[22:23:13] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> not sure that's gonna work
[22:27:06] <hook> > not sure that's gonna work
It did!
[22:27:07] <hook> :D
[22:27:08] <hook> Thanks
[22:28:18] *hook does a little silly dance
[22:32:07] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> noice :O
[22:55:25] <gamaaim> Aleks (he/him/il/lui)This is exactly the problem I'm having, it seems that I'm not the only one having this problem, and it also seems that you are already aware of the existence of this problem since you yourself answered the question. user in the forum

https://forum.yunohost.org/t/configuration-environmet-http-proxy-https-proxy-ftp-proxy/11458/2
[22:55:26] <gamaaim> https://aria.im/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/oaHBWozKFwpfrsHOFvzgCmhC
[22:56:34] <gamaaim> This topic dates from 2020, and the user encounters the same problem as me!
[22:58:10] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> lol yeah are you implying i'm supposed to remember every support question i ever answered and guess it's the same as you in all the mess you described ? I doubt this user's issue was "i want to hide the fact that i'm using yunohost from my ISP ! " ~_~
[22:59:44] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> lol yeah that's exactly what it does
[22:59:44] <gamaaim> Whatever the objectives of these users, we encounter the same problem. That is to say that yunohost's webmin bypasses Debian's proxy configuration even though it should not do so!
[23:00:58] <Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> we have a line in the code saying `if (running from the webadmin) and (proxy is configured) then: bypass_proxy`
[23:00:58] <gamaaim> How to solve this problem in this case?
[23:23:30] <shadowlava> > <@gamaaim:matrix.org> How to solve this problem in this case?

Here is the solution that was given in the post, but it seems that Aleks (he/him/il/lui) totally forgot about it

> We should probably include a fix upstream but in the meantime a clean solution I believe should be to run :
>
> systemctl edit yunohost-api
>
> You will enter a mode where you can edit an (initially empty) file
>
> In this file, add the following :
>
> [Service]
> EnvironmentFile=/etc/environment
>
> You can save with Ctrl+X (it will ask confirmation, just press Y and Enter)
>
> Then run systemctl restart yunohost-api
>
> Not tested but that should do the trick …

[23:23:48] <shadowlava> The simplest would be to integrate the possibility of using a proxy in yunohost webmin as suggested by the last comment on the forum