[08:36:55]
<Chatpitaine Caverne> Euh, une petite suggestion pour Archivist.
Ce ne serait peut-être pas une mauvaise idée de signaler dans la doc en gras et gros caractères que le script supprime toutes les archives précédentes.
Parce que quand on passe d'un autre mode de sauvegarde à archivist, c'est un peu violent comme sensation.
[12:03:11]
<florent[m]> I have to talk anew about what happened last Friday, when someone raised her/his concern about a person here being a Nazi, and quoted antisemitic statement from him.
If the testimony is true, this person wants the death of numerous persons here (or deport them to concentration camps).
Are there actions being taken about that issue?
[12:09:10]
<florent[m]> And for people here wanting the channel to be politically neutral and accept every them, just consider this:
These people want to remove many human rights and kill people based on their origin, sexual orientation, beliefs, political opinions, disabilities ...
Therefore, it's a broken social contract. We don't owe them help or the right of speech in our rooms.
[12:27:12]
<florent[m]> And for people here wanting the channel to be politically neutral and accept everyone whatever they want, just consider this:
These people want to remove many human rights and kill people based on their origin, sexual orientation, beliefs, political opinions, disabilities ...
Therefore, it's a broken social contract. We surely don't owe them help or the right of speech in our rooms.
[13:15:42]
<florent[m]> (Please note that by "actions", this can mean gathering the elements before taking any decision)
[13:42:38]
<eric_G> Bookworm is finally here!
[13:43:32]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> oshit
[17:01:38]
<lapineige> > <@ericg:matrix.org> Bookworm is finally here!
Oh my... Future packaging "fun" 🙈
[17:06:31]
<florent[m]> Will I get an answer?
[17:11:13]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> we tried discussing this with the team and we're pretty much "meh", don't understand why this is so much drama, surely we will fight nazis but right now we're talking about some dude accusing another dude of being a nazi with no factual element, not even a screenshot whatsoever ...
[17:17:29]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> and the person got banned so i don't know what would be further "action" ... like do collectives have to publish a public statement everytime some alleged nazi happens to come to some random chat room to clarify that they are against nazism ? x_x
[17:22:22]
<florent[m]> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> and the person got banned so i don't know what would be further "action" ... like do collectives have to publish a public statement everytime some alleged nazi happens to come to some random chat room to clarify that they are against nazism ? x_x
Hmm, no, AFAICT, the person is still here
[17:24:04]
<florent[m]> I will check something when I am in front if my computer
[17:25:42]
<florent[m]> About "the person got banned"
[17:30:43]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[18:32:37]
<florent[m]> OK, I am relieved he is not here anymore (apparently, I acknowledge that).
Still, he was not banned, he left the room Saturday at 23:55 (pseudo `tdlf32[m]`).
[18:35:53]
<florent[m]> > we're pretty much "meh", don't understand why this is so much drama
That's no drama, also the call out seems consistent : `tdlf` complaint about his website with political opinion being much attacked, `c` didn't seem at first suspicious and even friendly, and then called out.
[18:38:22]
<florent[m]> > like do collectives have to publish a public statement everytime some alleged nazi happens to come to some random chat room to clarify that they are against nazism ?
No… I didn't ask for such a thing
[18:40:46]
<florent[m]> And what worries me is that `tdlf` got the help he wanted for his website.
[18:48:21]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> I don't know how you can conclude that tdlf is the same person, this was not his original nickname (or I missed some part of the conversation idk)
[18:48:44]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> I don't know either which website we are talking about, again, maybe i missed or skipped some part of the conversation
[18:49:23]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> and still, even if `c` sounds legit, it would still help a great deal to have any factual, easily cross-checkable element before instantly banning somebody from some random accusation
[18:49:36]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> even a screenshot of the conversation he had in private
[18:50:08]
<florent[m]> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> I don't know how you can conclude that tdlf is the same person, this was not his original nickname (or I missed some part of the conversation idk)
That's a legitim question, thanks for asking, I can answer about it
[18:50:41]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> and yeah, ultimately this is a public chat about a publicly available free software, so nazi can use it, and nazi can get help about it because we cant magically guess people are nazis
[18:50:46]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> which doesnt mean we support nazis ..
[18:51:14]
<florent[m]> If you click on the `Jhon` pseudonym, you can see that its technical name is `@tdlf32:matrix.org`
[18:51:56]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> personally I'm in favor of experimenting with anti-nazi, anti-capitalist, anti-military license, but that also mean the herd of angry librist complaining about non-free software because nazi cant use it ;P
[18:52:07]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> hmkay?
[18:52:36]
<florent[m]> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> and yeah, ultimately this is a public chat about a publicly available free software, so nazi can use it, and nazi can get help about it because we cant magically guess people are nazis
Please, take a look about what I said here: https://matrix.to/#/!GevpWevrsZKluNMXsY:pijean.ovh/$tIzqfmglwjVr0MwVyY6pc-0L9sMNJUYxfZIoifTwhrA?via=matrix.org&via=aria-net.org&via=libera.chat
[18:54:41]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i think that yes, we will ban nazi or anybody who seems harmful based on somewhat factual element (again, even just a screenshot that looks legit), which, as far as I know, we still don't have regarding this story ... I'm impatient to know what helps to flag him as a nazi apart from `c`'s messages ...
[18:55:14]
<mavric34> Is it possible to register as a guest on Yunohost?
[18:55:15]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> nope
[18:56:01]
<mavric34> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> nope
Is this a planned feature?
[18:56:54]
<mavric34> I'd like my family to be able to register on their own!
[18:57:56]
<florent[m]> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> hmkay?
Is it sufficient to tell you that `Jhon` is `tdlf32`?
I understand that the help for `tdlf32` is due to not knowing that he was `Jhon`
[18:58:28]
<tituspijean[m]> > <@mavric34:matrix.org> I'd like my family to be able to register on their own!
we think of implementing it someday, yes. It's a huge feature relatively to our current code base, and we do not give timelines. 🙂
[18:59:15]
<tituspijean[m]> > Is it sufficient to tell you that `Jhon` is `tdlf32`?
> I understand that the help for `tdlf32` is due to not knowing that he was `Jhon`
We are still lacking the proof of nazism. I personnally do not condone any type of witch hunt.
[18:59:16]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i can perfectly believe than Jhon is tdlf32, i didn't cross check it because i'm kinda bored about the story until we have factual element that leads us to believe that he is indeed a nazi or whichever form of harmful person
[18:59:35]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> this is like the 5th time this is stated and still the answer is eluded
[18:59:53]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> despite the fact that apparently he has some "website"
[19:06:13]
<florent[m]> We agree about that, that's what matters here now.
[19:06:34]
<florent[m]> Have you contacted him?
[19:11:01]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> ogod ... 🤦
[19:11:02]
<florent[m]> 🤦
[19:11:17]
<tdlf32[m]> > <@Alekswag[m]:libera.chat> i think that yes, we will ban nazi or anybody who seems harmful based on somewhat factual element (again, even just a screenshot that looks legit), which, as far as I know, we still don't have regarding this story ... I'm impatient to know what helps to flag him as a nazi apart from `c`'s messages ...
Hello, I'm not a NAZI at all, the person who accused me was, but since I wasn't allowed to speak, I couldn't explain!
The gentleman who denounced me confessed openly that he was for the 3rd Reich, but as I didn't agree with him, he wanted to get me banned on yunohost and he succeeded in doing so in part, as I've been banned from the Matrix room, I can only connect on the IRC :/
[19:11:28]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> https://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg
[19:12:36]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> tdlf32[m]: honestly, anybody can GTFO with random accusation until you have at least some factual element to prove what you're saying
[19:12:44]
*tituspijean[m] notes that bans are not propagated to IRC
[19:12:50]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> until then i'm in favor of banning anybody who brings random accusation about this story
[19:13:10]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> and we could perfectly ban you right now for circumventing the ban
[19:19:05]
<tdlf32[m]> > <@Alekswag[m]:libera.chat> until then i'm in favor of banning anybody who brings random accusation about this story
I did absolutely nothing wrong in the yunohost room or anywhere else, I was only banned because someone claimed I said something OUTSIDE THE YUNOHOST ROOM, when it was this person who started all these unfounded accusations in addition to being the source of the NAZI comments.
I didn't bypass the BAN, I was banned without proof from the Matrix room but not from IRC...
[19:19:22]
<florent[m]> Have you contacted `c` in private to ask him for screenshot?
[19:22:44]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> Djeezus fucking christ, no, people did not contact `c` for the nazi-proofing or whatever, people are just absolutely bored with this nonsense story, some people even screenshoted the part where some random turbo-centrist defend the fact that "hurr durr herp derp this is a free software why are you bringing politics into this chat, software are politically neutral blah blah blah" and posted it on mastodon and some other person concluded that "oh wow yunohost apparently supports nazis using its software"
[19:22:45]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> which is beyond facepalming
[19:22:54]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> so maybe if we could stop the playground shitstorm now and stop wasting everybody's energy
[19:23:53]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> like right now we have literally 2 kids accusing each other of being a nazi, great, how we gonna chose ? count the number of typographic mistakes or something ?
[19:26:50]
<florent[m]> That's a serious question that is not treated seriously
[19:28:04]
<florent[m]> I am also bored
[19:30:55]
<mavric34> If you're against deadly ideologies, I've already had a private conversation with the user ev0n , who is a Russian soldier and who told me that he killed several Ukrainians and that he enjoyed it. This conversation dates back to last month, and unfortunately I no longer have the conversation history
[19:30:56]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> How are we supposed to treat this seriously ? We are talking about some random dude accusing some other random dude of being a nazi, and we should blindly trust this.
In a normal situation, this person would bring any sort of evidence to backup this fact, we kickban the nazi, fuck nazis, end of the story.
No such evidence was provided, the chatroom was becoming crazy, we banned both people, and neither `c` nor `Jhon` complained about it until 10 minutes ago
[19:30:58]
<florent[m]> talking about kids, but one of them is right
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<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> > <@mavric34:matrix.org> If you're against deadly ideologies, I've already had a private conversation with the user ev0n , who is a Russian soldier and who told me that he killed several Ukrainians and that he enjoyed it. This conversation dates back to last month, and unfortunately I no longer have the conversation history
oh yes great more random shitstorm
[19:33:14]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> > talking about kids, but one of them is right
how can you even be so sure one of them is ? For all we know this could just be somebody who doesn't like the other one because of stupid reason and claims he is a nazi or whatever to get it banned idk
[19:33:26]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> like "I don't like this dude because he is into crypto, let's call him a nazi"
[19:33:26]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> idk
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<mavric34> > <@Alekswag:matrix.org> oh yes great more random shitstorm
I wouldn't have mentioned it here, but since you also take into account what happens outside the room, I took the liberty of giving you this information!
[19:35:24]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> i'm not like "we need absolute proof to be sure before taking action", but again, right now we have literally nothing to support and cross-check the claim.
[19:35:58]
<ev0n> Well this was very interesting surprise notification
[19:36:03]
<ev0n> A little funny actually
[19:36:15]
<ev0n> So random
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<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> oh my god
[19:36:16]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> is this a joke 🤦
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<florent[m]> No…
[19:36:22]
<ev0n> Has to be a joke
[19:36:25]
<tdlf32[m]> > <@Alekswag[m]:libera.chat> i'm not like "we need absolute proof to be sure before taking action", but again, right now we have literally nothing to support and cross-check the claim.
Why was I banned in this case?
[19:37:09]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> probably because everybody was fucking bored and we went into stupid boring playground accusation like we're doing right now
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<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> which is probably just gonna end by banning half a dozen people
[19:38:38]
<mavric34> > <@ev0n:libera.chat> Has to be a joke
You've already told me what you do in private, so I invite you to tell me what you told me about the Ukrainians!
[19:41:52]
<florent[m]> Yeah, good strawman, please continue polluting
[19:44:20]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> lol
[19:44:25]
<tane> Dear Alex and Titus, I am constantly impressed and amazed at the way you deal with things. Your patience, principles and level headedness are incredible.
[19:44:27]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> well at least that brings back some positivity, cheers 🍻
[19:45:02]
<tdlf32[m]> In any case you banned the wrong person, I'm not the Nazi but the one who accused me.
[19:45:28]
<Aleks (he/him/il/lui)> tdlf32[m]: honestly just STFU, one more word about this and you are getting banned, period
[21:01:15]
<choyer> Have a question - how frequently is Friendica updated on Yunohost - official version is now 2023.05 but on Yunohost we’re still at 2023.01. Any ideas what is the release timeline ?
[21:08:06]
<Tag> Hi choyer ~ It looks like this package need some care, indeed!
There an open PR for 2023.04. I'll update it for 2023.05 and run some tests.
https://github.com/YunoHost-Apps/friendica_ynh/pull/93
[21:22:58]
<choyer> Super, thank you!